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	<title>Comments on: Terror &#8220;Cell&#8221; Found Guilty but Tharhani Acquitted&#8230;hmmm</title>
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		<title>By: Trey Campbell</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is no way he can give up al Badawi...at least at this point, and probably never now. He wouldn&#039;t want to create precedent. My point was only that the US may be able to put enough pressure on the regime to get Elbaneh at a future point - had he turned himself in - and that Jaber probably knows this.

I didn&#039;t see the al Wasat article - I&#039;m going to go read it now - but I&#039;m not surprised. I think AQ-Yemen raised the bar with the Spaniard bombing, and I don&#039;t think they would be satisfied with going back to simple pipeline attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is no way he can give up al Badawi&#8230;at least at this point, and probably never now. He wouldn&#8217;t want to create precedent. My point was only that the US may be able to put enough pressure on the regime to get Elbaneh at a future point &#8211; had he turned himself in &#8211; and that Jaber probably knows this.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the al Wasat article &#8211; I&#8217;m going to go read it now &#8211; but I&#8217;m not surprised. I think AQ-Yemen raised the bar with the Spaniard bombing, and I don&#8217;t think they would be satisfied with going back to simple pipeline attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Johnsen</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Johnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the fuzzy line between supporters and members - the suicide bomber in the attack in July and the one who was supposedly being groomed for another attack who was killed in August are, I think, examples of this.  (This also, I think, goes back quite a while.  I&#039;ve been reading through a number of back issues of al-Jihad from the late 1980s and they have a number of different biographies of Yemeni martyrs, many of these men are from the Marib area.)

Did you see the al-Wasat article on al-Qaeda denying responsibility for the attack on the oil pipeline?   

I would doubt very much if Salih could turn over al-Badawi given the firestorm that errupted over the al-Mu&#039;ayyad case.    I agree with your view that the government goes back and forth between hyping the al-Qaeda presence and then downplaying the same factors.  Part of this, I think, stems from the fact that a great deal of its aid is for security assistance.  This is often the situation when Yemen makes its rather weak case to join the GCC - security is the threat it worries everyone with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the fuzzy line between supporters and members &#8211; the suicide bomber in the attack in July and the one who was supposedly being groomed for another attack who was killed in August are, I think, examples of this.  (This also, I think, goes back quite a while.  I&#8217;ve been reading through a number of back issues of al-Jihad from the late 1980s and they have a number of different biographies of Yemeni martyrs, many of these men are from the Marib area.)</p>
<p>Did you see the al-Wasat article on al-Qaeda denying responsibility for the attack on the oil pipeline?   </p>
<p>I would doubt very much if Salih could turn over al-Badawi given the firestorm that errupted over the al-Mu&#8217;ayyad case.    I agree with your view that the government goes back and forth between hyping the al-Qaeda presence and then downplaying the same factors.  Part of this, I think, stems from the fact that a great deal of its aid is for security assistance.  This is often the situation when Yemen makes its rather weak case to join the GCC &#8211; security is the threat it worries everyone with.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Campbell</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American citizen though, I&#039;m not sure the regime could hide behind the constitutional argument so completely as far as extradition is concerned...especially after the conter-reaction in Yemen to the American reaction to news of JB&#039;s release. I think the regime&#039;s response was actually really telling - they became very worried, very fast. And even if they didn&#039;t reverse a decision on his release, they at least made a very public, almost desperate appeal as to his status - which is very out of character. Basically, even though he may have assurances about extradition, I&#039;m not sure I would trust those if I were him.

As for the tribal vs. AQ issue...I think at time the regime has a vested intrist in downplaying AQ presence, prefering to blame events on tribal forces - but at times they also have an interest in hyping AQ presence, trying to caste tribal disputes with the government into the broader terrorism debate. I think that some areas are easier to sort out the truth than others - the Shabwa/Marib area is not one of them. I think there are very grey lines up there between sympathizers and members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American citizen though, I&#8217;m not sure the regime could hide behind the constitutional argument so completely as far as extradition is concerned&#8230;especially after the conter-reaction in Yemen to the American reaction to news of JB&#8217;s release. I think the regime&#8217;s response was actually really telling &#8211; they became very worried, very fast. And even if they didn&#8217;t reverse a decision on his release, they at least made a very public, almost desperate appeal as to his status &#8211; which is very out of character. Basically, even though he may have assurances about extradition, I&#8217;m not sure I would trust those if I were him.</p>
<p>As for the tribal vs. AQ issue&#8230;I think at time the regime has a vested intrist in downplaying AQ presence, prefering to blame events on tribal forces &#8211; but at times they also have an interest in hyping AQ presence, trying to caste tribal disputes with the government into the broader terrorism debate. I think that some areas are easier to sort out the truth than others &#8211; the Shabwa/Marib area is not one of them. I think there are very grey lines up there between sympathizers and members.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaber Elbaneh? I think he&#039;s in Yemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaber Elbaneh? I think he&#8217;s in Yemen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Johnsen</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Johnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure he was connected to the attacks after the fact - it was a great way to scare international observers with the threat of al-Qaeda.  I&#039;m not sure I buy that Jabir al-Banna has left the country.  He is very afraid of being extradited to the US, and part of his deal both times he surrendered himself to a &quot;high-ranking member of the GPC&quot; was that he wouldn&#039;t be turned over to the US.

Also, Jane I disagree with you when you write things like: if the Yemeni regime says it was tribesmen it almost certainly is not.  There are many things going on in Yemen that are not al-Qaeda related - the issue of the oil pipeline attack is a tribal-government issue not part of some bigger conspiracy.  The Yemeni government and Salih administration aren&#039;t the purely evil force you always make them out to be.  The regime and the President have done numerous things that other tribes and interest groups in Yemen not to mention the US government and others have serious problems with, but they are pursuing their own interests not acting as an evil force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure he was connected to the attacks after the fact &#8211; it was a great way to scare international observers with the threat of al-Qaeda.  I&#8217;m not sure I buy that Jabir al-Banna has left the country.  He is very afraid of being extradited to the US, and part of his deal both times he surrendered himself to a &#8220;high-ranking member of the GPC&#8221; was that he wouldn&#8217;t be turned over to the US.</p>
<p>Also, Jane I disagree with you when you write things like: if the Yemeni regime says it was tribesmen it almost certainly is not.  There are many things going on in Yemen that are not al-Qaeda related &#8211; the issue of the oil pipeline attack is a tribal-government issue not part of some bigger conspiracy.  The Yemeni government and Salih administration aren&#8217;t the purely evil force you always make them out to be.  The regime and the President have done numerous things that other tribes and interest groups in Yemen not to mention the US government and others have serious problems with, but they are pursuing their own interests not acting as an evil force.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Campbell</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Greg. I never believed that the regime designed the attacks (despite what many Yemenis thought)...that would just be too much. I do think the regimes actions go a little deeper than simple reactionary exploitation though. Al Tharhani&#039;s role was always just a little too convenient, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they decided to connect him to the attacks after the fact, knowing he worked for the Shamlan campaign.

Jane, do you think he&#039;s in Yemen? I doubt it. Yemen knew when they released him that he wasn&#039;t going to come back...I wouldn&#039;t if I were him. He&#039;s the one dude the US has a chance at extraditing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Greg. I never believed that the regime designed the attacks (despite what many Yemenis thought)&#8230;that would just be too much. I do think the regimes actions go a little deeper than simple reactionary exploitation though. Al Tharhani&#8217;s role was always just a little too convenient, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they decided to connect him to the attacks after the fact, knowing he worked for the Shamlan campaign.</p>
<p>Jane, do you think he&#8217;s in Yemen? I doubt it. Yemen knew when they released him that he wasn&#8217;t going to come back&#8230;I wouldn&#8217;t if I were him. He&#8217;s the one dude the US has a chance at extraditing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Johnsen</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Johnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a very big difference in exploiting the attacks for domestic political concerns and orchestrating the attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very big difference in exploiting the attacks for domestic political concerns and orchestrating the attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess American Jaber Elbaneh&#039;s surrender and subsequent loose house arrest announced in May was rather loose indeed, if they tried him in absentia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess American Jaber Elbaneh&#8217;s surrender and subsequent loose house arrest announced in May was rather loose indeed, if they tried him in absentia.</p>
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		<title>By: Armies of Liberation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sentences in the Pre-Election Thawrted Oil Attacks</title>
		<link>http://emptyquarter.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/terror-cell-found-guilty/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Armies of Liberation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sentences in the Pre-Election Thawrted Oil Attacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yup. From Empty Quarter:  NewsYemen highlights, Headline in part reads: “Al Tharhani to NewsYemen: I am the victim of bin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yup. From Empty Quarter:  NewsYemen highlights, Headline in part reads: “Al Tharhani to NewsYemen: I am the victim of bin [...]</p>
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